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Indeed's change to Paying Per Application

  • 1.  Indeed's change to Paying Per Application

    Posted 02-07-2023 12:45
    I saw that Indeed changed from PPC (a set daily amount) to an option to switch to Pay per Application.

    Has anyone tried it?  What are your thoughts?

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    President
    Talis Group Inc.
    Louisville KY
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  • 2.  RE: Indeed's change to Paying Per Application

    Posted 02-08-2023 10:11

    I just had a conversation with our rep regarding this and was told it was going to be implemented sometime mid summer this year. I believe it will be a better policy and easier to control costs per job than what they have now.




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    Steve Dale
    Owner
    Careers Unlimited Staffing LLC
    Sioux Falls SD
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  • 3.  RE: Indeed's change to Paying Per Application

    Posted 02-09-2023 13:01
    We are just starting to see this model, so this discussion thread came at a great time! 
    If anyone else has something to add, please do and thanks
    susie  



    Susan C. Dietrich

    Principal

    TOPS Staffing, LLC.

    600 Davidson Road, Pittsburgh, PA 15239

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  • 4.  RE: Indeed's change to Paying Per Application

    Posted 02-08-2023 10:35
    It's not a better option. When they make the move to PPA, you will then have 72 hours to review the resume or they will charge you for it. There are no exceptions, and the cost will be $15 to $150 per application. They will still send resumes by email if you post your jobs that way, but you will need to have someone constantly monitoring your Indeed account. If you post a position and 150 apply, you could be looking at a potential charge of $22k if you don't reject the resumes. They did say that if your ATS posts the positions, that it won't be affected, at least right away.

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    Leona Willener CSP, Owner/President
    Front Range Staffing of Colorado
    (719) 323-6632
    leona@frontrangestaffing.com
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  • 5.  RE: Indeed's change to Paying Per Application

    Posted 02-08-2023 10:43
    Good to know, not the way it was explained to me.

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    Steve Dale
    Owner
    Careers Unlimited Staffing LLC
    Sioux Falls SD
    (605) 336-9800
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  • 6.  RE: Indeed's change to Paying Per Application

    Posted 02-08-2023 15:13
    Indeed announced at its FutureWorks event in Fall 2022 it is changing from CPC to CPA. There wasn't a timeline given, and Indeed mentioned it was in testing with small businesses. At Haley Marketing, we haven't experienced that change yet for clients that we manage.

    I believe most of the testing is with companies who are manually copying + pasting jobs into Indeed and following up with candidates inside the Indeed platform. As Leona points out, it's believed Indeed is going to set the CPA and that companies will be able to "accept" or "reject" candidates.
    • With the pre-set CPA, that's going to be very interesting to watch and see how Indeed sets the market for how much an application costs. Companies will need to be very aware of their spend. I saw on LinkedIn today a company in Canada whose account switched from CPC to CPA and now has an unexpected huge bill. 
    • As for the accept vs. reject, we aren't lawyers at Haley Marketing, so I'm not going to touch that one.
    In terms of optimizing accounts, best practices today are to look at your CPC, conversion rate, and CPA now. If your CPA is too high, what do you need to do to get better results?

    Hopefully some of that information helps. We are still waiting more information from Indeed ourselves as I think they are still testing and haven't released anything fully internally to their reps.

    Matt


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    Matt Lozar
    Director of Recruitment Marketing
    Haley Marketing Group Inc.
    Williamsville NY
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  • 7.  RE: Indeed's change to Paying Per Application

    Posted 02-08-2023 15:18
    Thanks Matt, 

    I did ask them about Haley Marketing, as we use you to host our job board and spider them out to places like Indeed and they said there will be no changes with that as of now.

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    Leona Willener CSP, Owner/President
    Front Range Staffing of Colorado
    (719) 323-6632
    leona@frontrangestaffing.com
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  • 8.  RE: Indeed's change to Paying Per Application

    Posted 18 days ago

    All,

    We have been notified we are being transitioned to a "pay per started application" (PPSA) in April.  We are meeting with the representatives at Indeed tomorrow to discuss what this means to us.

    Does anyone have experience with this model?  If so, can you share what it meant for your: s

    ·         Monthly spend

    ·         Quality of applicants

    ·         Quantity of applicants

    For reference, our firms does about 60% of overall revenue is from traditional temp-to-hire staffing in light industrial settings. The remaining 40% is a mix of professionals in government, defense, manufacturing, logistics, and professional search (direct hire) revenue.



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    Morris Jessup
    Vice President of Operations
    Corporate Job Bank
    Tempe, AZ | Avondale, AZ
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  • 9.  RE: Indeed's change to Paying Per Application

    Posted 18 days ago
    Morris,
    I am right in the middle of this too.   Biggest issue I see is that you have 48-72 hours (depending on who you talk to ) to mark the candidates as not used and if you don't you get changed for them applying.   

    As I find out more, I will post on this string also.

    Thanks
    Susie 



    Susan C. Dietrich

    Principal

    TOPS Staffing, LLC.

    600 Davidson Road, Pittsburgh, PA 15239

    (o) 412-798-0779    (c) 412-897-2224    (f) 412-573-0796  • (d) 412-701-9001


    BE A BRAND AMBASSADOR AND EARN REFERRAL FEES!!         https://topsjobs.staffingreferrals.com/join/sdietrich1


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  • 10.  RE: Indeed's change to Paying Per Application

    Posted 14 days ago

    Hi everyone!

    I wanted to share some information from what we have learned at Haley Marketing after meeting with Indeed. This has been a hot-button topic since Indeed announced it in October. 

    Indeed is moving to a cost per application metric, instead of a CPC metric. However, there are two different ways this will be implemented and it depends on how your jobs get to Indeed.

    If you manually post your jobs to Indeed (this is called hosted jobs)

    • This will be a pay-per-application format/metric where you can accept/reject candidates. It's the most common information that has been circulating. So, if your team manually copies and pastes the jobs to your Indeed account, then you will have a period of time (I believe 72 hours - NOT business hours) to accept/reject the candidate right inside your Indeed account. That's the only place you can make that decision (as far as I know). If you accept the candidate or do not reply within the timeframe, you will be charged. If you reject the candidate, you will not be charged.

    If your jobs go to Indeed via a feed of jobs (this is called Indexed jobs)

    • This will be a pay-per-started-application format/metric where you CANNOT accept/reject candidates. Why aren't you able to reject/accept candidates in this format? Because your candidates do not live inside the Indeed platform when they apply to your job. The candidates are sent back to your ATS (or via email to the recruiter assigned to the job). Indeed does not have the tech to allow candidates to live inside Indeed when they apply to your jobs if you send them over via an XML feed of jobs. Right now - your candidates aren't inside your Indeed account and that won't change.

    Some other thoughts/questions:

    • Why is Indeed doing this? Indeed keeps hearing its clients want more quality candidates. Allowing the option to accept/reject candidates is one way of doing this.
    • Will my costs go up? Honestly, I do not know. Some thoughts here as I've been giving it a lot of thought
      • Right now - our team manages/optimizes campaigns to cost per application anyway. If your team does the same, then nothing really should change.
      • The only way I can see costs going up is if Indeed artificially inflates / sets a higher-price for applications. I have no reason to believe Indeed will do this but it's something to keep on our radars. If they start to say the cost-per-application for a manufacturing worker is going to start at $5 when you have been paying $3, well that's going to increase costs. Again, I do not know if it will happen but it's one of those areas that seems like we should watch.
      • Obviously you could spend more money if you don't have the right limits in place (job-level, campaign-level) and/or don't check the applications within the timeframe (if you have using the Hosted Jobs method I talked about above)

    At Haley Marketing, we manage ad spend for a number of clients and we are preparing for this change with our clients. It seems Indeed is systematically rolling this out across its client base.

    Not here to support Indeed, but my goal was to share more information as we have received a lot of questions about this change in the past months. I'm happy to answer any more questions - either here in the forum or via email. Please don't hesitate to reach out!


    Matt



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    Matt Lozar
    Director of Recruitment Marketing
    Haley Marketing Group Inc.
    Williamsville NY
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  • 11.  RE: Indeed's change to Paying Per Application

    Posted 11 days ago

    Unfortunately, Matt, what we've seen is the cost/application increase by 7100% (I wish I was exaggerating) so we're exploring other options now.  As someone who was a Beta tester for Indeed many years ago, it's very disappointing that this change will lead to the end of our relationship. 



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    Kara Bradford
    Co-Founder & CEO
    Viridian Staffing
    Seattle WA
    (800) 961-6527 x312
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  • 12.  RE: Indeed's change to Paying Per Application

    Posted 11 days ago

    The recent changes have made Indeed unusable for us.  This budget will now be allocated to a different platform.  



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    Kara Bradford
    Co-Founder & CEO
    Viridian Staffing
    Seattle WA
    (800) 961-6527 x312
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